I know!! i thought the end was fantastic! No one died (apart from rook .. and lots of humans ... ) but i mean Hal Alex and Tom are still around! very happy! and finally in our minds they can be living a normal life :) i just guess not every one seeys it that way! x
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Anyway, must dash. Friend about to kill lots of people.
I didn't notice the clues at the end either for the first time because I was busy trying to get my sh*t together :D I guess we will have to wait for the bonus scene on the dvd. I'm really not sure how I feel about it, because I liked the way it ended and this scene will mess with my head again :D
haha Kayla, I was just kidding. Actually I wasn't. I really don't care about humans on the show haha
I saw some people posting 'Six Seasons and a Movie' (hello Community fans) :D
Evening! *huge sigh* I loved the ending. I loved the whole episode. Just sat with Trev and daughter no. 1 and watched it again. Awesome and beautiful. I'm going with the happy ending, mainly because that is what I want!! hahahahaha!! However, these are my theories - 1) they performed the ritual. what ever universe they were in they performed the ritual. 2) they sacrificed themselves for love - the love of each other and the love of humans. Love always, always, ALWAYS wins. 3) I don't believe the Devil would put them all into the same dream world - they are too strong. Eventually they would work it out and he would be back where he started. 4) the origami wolf shown at the end is just to remind everyone that the Devil is always out there - they got rid of him in human form but he still exists in the nature of man. If you have God and love, you have to have the other bloke too. Yin and Yang, black and white, hot and cold. 5) I don't think in any of their alternate universes they would have believed that they really could become human, they might have imagined themselves as good, clever, getting their door etc but the fact that they were all given back humanity is not something they could envisage on their own. Therefore it is real.
Hey . Well, what an episode! Wow! I was completely blown away by that one! I thought that the ending was the best one it could have been, personally, but I can also understand the people who don't agree. Its a tough one. All through this series I have resisted watching on a Sunday night, so that I can watch them with my Dad on the monday morning as he loves it too, so last night was very hard to resist! I havent been captured by a series like this for a long time, the need to watch it, the need to know! I agree with you Brookesey, after we watched it Dad and I must have spent about 2 hours discussing its meaning, and I came to the same conclusion as you did in point 4, that evil and the devil cannot be truly dead, as it still exists in mankind, even if its only in the minds of humans. You cannot have order without chaos.
The fight scene between Tom and Hal was awesome! It really felt epic and was tense too. Seeing all their dreams was so heartbreaking, and like many of us when I saw Hal's reflection I fell apart! I must admit I did not expect them to become human at the end, to lose all their supernatural-ness, that was a shock. But im glad too because I did not want any of them to be killed off, and yeah you can imagine them, all living in HH together watching Antiques Roadshow . Its a lovely feeling, you feel glad for them that their curses have been lifted, no more transforming, no more blood lust, they are free and the possibilities are endless, but it makes you wonder how they will cope with being mortal now, growing old etc. I never thought about it being an alternative reality either, thats a good point!
It also never occured to me that it might only be the 3 of them who lose their supernatural curses at the time. They could have done a series about them as humans fighting others who are still supernaturals, trying to save the world .
Loved the last shot with the homage to all the previous characters, that was so nicely done and fitting to the series.
I think im gonna do a rewatch too, I went to work after and just stood there thinking about it all, I think i definetly need to see it again!
I cant wait for the DVD! :D
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I latched onto the happiness of the ending, acknowledged the quirky dutch angle on Hatch's origami, thought 'yeah yeah yeah, quirky open ending' and then refused to think about it! I was glad there was 'a' happy ending. But whether Hal, Tom and Alex are in another (but real) dimension, or now human in 'our' dimension, there's still plenty of story. Hal wanted to live as human, but now he's actually human, and mortal. Will he welcome one human lifespan? He could easily go off in search of the Philosopher's Stone, to ensure immortality, and end up becoming a super villain!
So, does Toby plan to continue the story in other mediums?
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Nice thinking magnetized, there is definitely room for endless spin-offs! we can dream, right?
It is so fitting that Toby created this amolst escher-esque ending, 2 days on and I have multiple theories running through my mind in a labyrinthine kind of a way!
But...whatever theory you go with on it reality/ dream/AU - for our beloved characters who struggled to be human for so long (especially Hal) I am so glad they and we had that moment when they became actually human...
When Hal says: "Annie, Mitchell, George, Nina, the two of you..what none of you realised...none of us realised..is the desire to be human is the end, not the beginning, to want it is to have it, you're not wasting time Tom, you've already won." It is a real Dorothy Wizard Of Oz "no place like home" moment, so perhaps like her they woke up from the dream and discovered they already were, as Hal said, human.
*waves* Greetings all! I pre-ordered my DVD's yesterday! Hehehehe - 8th April can't come quick enough!
Does everyone here know that there will be an extra scene on the DVD that was not in the last episode? Not sure how many on here are also bloggers or stalkers. It will be set 6 weeks later apparently.
Still grinning over the wondrous-ness of episode 6 The cleverness of Lord Toby too - to give us an ending that can be interpreted in so many ways so that nobody feels done out of a good ending.
I just finished the finale! (I was in Miami until last night.) I cried a lot, but I'm so happy with the ending! Even though it made me cry like a baby!
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Ok, sorry guys...but I really need to do this. Don't get me wrong - I loved the 'we're human' moment as much as the next person, but I must have a really dark heart because I found it unsatisfying as a conclusion and something keeps knocking at my brain. I've been resisting writing this because I don't want to bring everyone down; hence the 'spoiler'. So if you wish to keep your rose tinted specs on, do not read this......you have been warned.
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I've been trying to figure out at what point they enter their shared AU. I initially thought it was when devil Rook roars - just before they perform the ritual, but now I'm starting to believe that they never actually came back to the studio.
Hatch himself said "100 years trapped in this broken body....of aching bones and skin like dust and getting up five times in the night to pee"; so how come he can escape into Rook? If he isn't actually trapped why hasn't he escaped before? And why does he immediately return to the broadcast when they come back even though Alex is about to complete the ritual?
When Alex eventually does complete the ritual, at the end, the devil immediately leaves Rook's body - the ritual is supposed to trap him!
Devil Rook's comments "Perhaps it is too soon. Perhaps none of this can make sense yet" struck me as strange, but now I think he was referring to them accepting an AU as human friends. In order for it to make sense to them, they needed to unite and perform the ritual to defeat him themselves.
I'm even starting to think that if Hal isn't actually complicit....he at least knows. But I'll leave that for another time!
Of course I do realise that this speculation comes from my position of denial, and what I am actually doing is laying the ground-work for series 6..........it'll be interesting to see what's on the DVD
-- Edited by fifi on Wednesday 13th of March 2013 07:31:45 PM
Anyone else notice the tea cup he was holding at the end was clanking quite a bit? Just seemed odd. What was the purpose? (LOL, nerves still next to Alex?) There must be one. Usually that stuff is edited out. Maybe I'm looking too far into it... just throwing it out there. It really caught my attention.
Anyone else notice the tea cup he was holding at the end was clanking quite a bit? Just seemed odd. What was the purpose? (LOL, nerves still next to Alex?) There must be one. Usually that stuff is edited out. Maybe I'm looking too far into it... just throwing it out there. It really caught my attention.
I noticed that too and I was also surprised that it hadn't been edited out. But I have a really bad habit of over-analysing everything....
Just want to add that the first 15 minutes of this episode must be my favourite 15 minutes of tv of all time! Is it wrong to admit that I was almost dancing around the room with glee when Tom and Hal had their fight? Super-duper!
Anyone else notice the tea cup he was holding at the end was clanking quite a bit? Just seemed odd. What was the purpose? (LOL, nerves still next to Alex?) There must be one. Usually that stuff is edited out. Maybe I'm looking too far into it... just throwing it out there. It really caught my attention.
I noticed that too and I was also surprised that it hadn't been edited out. But I have a really bad habit of over-analysing everything....
Just want to add that the first 15 minutes of this episode must be my favourite 15 minutes of tv of all time! Is it wrong to admit that I was almost dancing around the room with glee when Tom and Hal had their fight? Super-duper!
Maybe to show he isn't neat and perfect anymore. Also-- unless my ears have failed- when Tom talks about the antique episode he's in the present and when hal atlks about it- very much in the past. Just odd. Unless they are referring to different items? Argh...