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Ripper Street 2 Episode 8 - What did you think? [15 vote(s)]

suberb! outstanding final episode! Loved it all!
86.7%
Very good, especially enjoyed the DC Flight moments
6.7%
Ok, but only liked the Flight bits and the rest was not for me
6.7%
Didn’t enjoy it at all
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Incredible!

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"We've been played! My God! We've been played!"

"Annie's getting hysterical downstairs and I'm not enjoying it"

"kill me. Kill me now. You can tell Annie that I attacked you or something"

"“Were you guys talking about me? I heard ‘clearly gorgeous’” 

 "Yes because otherwise you are quite the catch"

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And ooo I just realized I'm a new rank! Yay!!!

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My all time fave Hal line (just love the way he says it)

"We've been played! My God! We've been played!"

"Annie's getting hysterical downstairs and I'm not enjoying it"

"kill me. Kill me now. You can tell Annie that I attacked you or something"

"“Were you guys talking about me? I heard ‘clearly gorgeous’” 

 "Yes because otherwise you are quite the catch"

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sorry, I don't think what I meant was clear.  I did not mean that he was innocent or he thought he was innocent, that he didn't know there were toxic substances in the gin he made.  I meant he didn't poison the gin on purpose, which is what it sounded like when Shine described it.  Unless you know how gin is made, which I did not, you might assume from Shine's words that Flight added poison to the gin with malicious intent.  He did not, he just made cheap gin, did not use proper equipment & methods, knowing there was a risk in drinking it. So yeah, he was bad because he knew it could be tainted and still sold it.  But he didn't go about adding poison to it.

I agree Ruby, it was likely this that caught Shine's attention.  He saw that he wavered in his scruples and could be manipulated.  Though it is telling that he sheltered Flight whereas with Blush Pang she was central to his unscrupulous dealings.    

 

 



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Also, here is what he says about being bad and evil:

 

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Finally caught up with everyone's comments here, thanks for the insights into the gin laced with turps and the sulphur whimsy, I had assumed he has used it to dilute the gin to make more money and it is a grey area whether the consequences were deliberate or not... he must have known it wasn't the best thing to do, but perhaps his youth, naeivety and his capacity for denial (which believe he must have had to develop to survive) meant he was able to shut it out. He was surviving and turned to these petty crimes to do that.

I felt his confessions to the priest were related to the all of it, his shame at being a liar in H-Division and also his past that he was running from.

I think he genuinely wanted to be able to somehow stick a bandaid on a wound that kept on bleeding so he could heal it, but the blood kept oozing out and he just could not continue with his denial.. he clearly genuinely wanted to become a good man and saw with Reid a way he wanted to be, but that existence was fragile, impermanent and not realistic.

His heartfelt speech about outrunning his shame just about tore my heart out of my chest - Reid could not grant him the absolution that he seeks - interesting that earlier in the ep Reid said there is no god, Flight is not going to get that level of forgiveness from Reid as his confessor and yet, there was a tinge of compassion there, I felt. Flight was really a victim of life, but like all victims always did have a choice...even if that choice was very bleak...however with the lack of guidance and knowing who he is or what is right...

Final thoughts... At the end of the episode Reid is chanting "kill him! kill him!" almost becoming the pro active accomplice to murder. Flight was a passive and unwilling accomplice to murder. Who is fit to judge?

We were left with Flight not physically behind bars and we didn't see him again in the episode, Shine had just blackmailed Reid and Abberline with Flight's true credentials and they chose not to go public with the truth. How can they put Flight on trial in this case?

I am glad it is an open ended storyline for Flight (along with many others)... whether series 3 goes ahead or not, we have at least been given a springboard for our imaginations.

Perhaps they will ship Flight off to other country, perhaps they will keep him close but demote him to coffee and cab fetching duties. Perhas they will throw him out in the streets and he will end up workng in Long Susan's establishment (my first speculation on which character Damien will play) I can see the even more empowered Susan liking the idea of employing men to do the work she has asked women to do for so long. Or maybe he will return to crime and end up being a case they investigate.

Would love to hear your theories on the future of Flight!



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The screencap of him looking at Shine through the bars with tears in his eyes just about undoes me everytime. He looks so young, so scared in that shot.

I've said in other posts that I think Flight should be given a chance at redemption, at proving himself, that he can become a better man. Neither Reid, Drake or Jackson are in a position to judge him. They have all done things of which they are ashamed of, they all have secrets. Reid and his wife, Drake and his history as a military man, and Jackson and his secret that was a major part of S1. What i would like to see is for Reid to help Flight, perhaps mentor him, show his some grace. I believe that Flight gradually began to see the good that Reid does in his job in comparison to the evil and rot that Shine undertook. I'm hoping the writers will not leave it there, that we don't get to find out what happened to Flight because that would be a shame.

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I guess the difference is, they haven't frauded the police force... except perhaps for Jackson...I agree morally they are absolutely not in the position to judge, but in terms of the letter of the law.... which will be interesting considering some of Reid and Drake's philosophising over the series on the purpose and effectiveness of the law....legally they are obliged to not hide or coverup the situation but they will do, because of how it will be seen. There are so many options and there are ways they could give him redemption not as part of H Division. I like how it was left ambiguous on the whole, the reaction of the 3 male leads towards the revelation, or where they lay the blame for their 'betrayal'.

It would be a real shame if the writers left it there with Flight, and I think the Damien fandom were noticed and most active during the whole of the promotion and airing of series 2, so his popularity would not have gone unnoticed either. But I guess it depends on a) if there is a third series and b) what other projects Mr M has on his agenda!

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I originally put this in the Part 1 thread but I think it belongs here as the charge sheet was shown in this episode.

1855 was only 10 years after the Irish potato famine started! He would have been born during it so no wonder he was a wretch!

"In Ireland, the Great Famine was a period of mass starvation, disease and emigration between 1845 and 1852"



(As an aside, I am glad to see that Ireland has come out of its financial troubles to a certain extent)



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The charge sheet showed 1885 Pearl. At a guess, Flight was possibly born around mid 1860's. There's every possibility that Flight's parents or even grandparents may have come over from Ireland to escape the famine.

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how many re-watches now forumers? I am so glad I downloaded every episode on to the bbc iplayer desktop before they went off the iplayer earlier today!

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I didn't know you could do that? I wish I did that now! I didn't have Internet for a few days so I just did 1 rewatch 



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My all time fave Hal line (just love the way he says it)

"We've been played! My God! We've been played!"

"Annie's getting hysterical downstairs and I'm not enjoying it"

"kill me. Kill me now. You can tell Annie that I attacked you or something"

"“Were you guys talking about me? I heard ‘clearly gorgeous’” 

 "Yes because otherwise you are quite the catch"

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Still only watched this twice....but did manage to download the series, and fully intend to re-watch tomorrow.  Can't believe the series finished only 10 days ago....feels like months!!  Hopefully I might find the time to actually post my thoughts on it sometime soon.....



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Good grief is it really only ten days?! wow.... Monday was not the same without it though.

I am not sure how it is for eveyone else, but for me Ripper Street is a real grower of a drama..the more rewatches the more levels emerge...

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We just now watched it.  We got behind due to travel for Christmas.  Gosh that was a painful episode.  It looked to me like maybe the Flight character is done for even if we do get a 3rd season of Ripper Street.  That makes me sad.  

I'm so disappointed in Reid.  



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Glad you have seen the finale Jane.

Just to let you and everyone know, this very question is up for discussion here would love to hear peoples' thoughts!



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ahh!  It's back to normal Monday -  I've finally got to watch this ep again......and have just been hit by the realisation that it's Monday, and there won't be any Ripper St tonight!!  I know it's taken a while to sink in....I've been busy!!

It really was a superb episode......but there is so much unresolved! 

Must admit that, although I'm sorry for Jackson....I love the new revengeful Susan - it would've been great to see her go about claiming Duggan's assets.  I was (surprisingly!) heartbroken for Rose....that she chose a song specially for Drake, and he didn't turn up because he was getting beaten up by/beating up Shine.  And I loved that it all climaxed in the boxing ring - both Reid and Drake's questioning of what they do during the course of the series and Reid's conversation with Abberline about the resrictions of the law, the conflict between the law and justice...it all comes down to a physical fight - nicely confirming what Duggan told Reid - that the police/the law are in their infancy compared to the ways of an old city. 

I presumed that Flight poisoning the gin was an accident too....but must admit that I'm gutted that he seems to have known about Shine killing Merrick.  I shall cling onto the idea that he definately fell asleep, and wasn't certain that Shine had actually killed Merrick, until he witnessed him killing Hinchcliffe.  I like that they showed him in the confessional saying that he wanted 'to be a good man', it confirms that what he said to Reid - that the good work that he did at H division was "meant...felt in my heart" - was truth, not just platitudes.... Aww poor Flight!  I agree totally, domino - a victim of circumstance.

Strangely, that particular line doesn't come up on the subtitles....which is odd, because even the 'umm's and 'err's are subtitled?!



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OK...I have a question - just before Flight pulls the gun on Shine, Shine reaches into his bag for the wire.....is it his intention to garrote Flight?

And I've just got to mention when he says to Shine 'I was a bad man, but you have made evil of me' (or whatever it is!)....and then he misses when he shoots - bless!!!  Evil?  I think not.....

Sorry... yes.... I'm only just processing this episode. lol!



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Amazing to think the series only ended 3 weeks ago - it seems like an age since then without any Mr M on our TVs!

fifi, you mean the 'to be a good line' is missing from the subtitles? that is shocking! subtitles

Agree with your analysis which is why I don't think it is a cut and dry goodbye to Flight and after the ending, that is why I am asking if people can see a future for Flight in this discussion topic.

Yes, my interpretation was certainly that Shine intended to end Flight, especially as Shine could see the situation. Does Flight miss because he is not familiar with a gun? (the way he loaded bullets implied he was) or that he was nervous, a crap shot, or that he couldn't actually carry through killing Shine?



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fifi, he didn't poison the gin intentionally as in he added it with the intent of poisoning people.  Somewhere we discussed this, the turpentine was often added to cheap gin to get that juniper berry flavour without paying for the costly berries, and the sulfur is a byproduct of the fermentation process that if you use the right equipment would be absorbed by the copper pipes.  But he obviously used a cheap still without copper.  But yes, he knew it was cheap gin that had the potential to hurt people.  I think his orphaned, most likely penniless, state led him to the petty crimes on his Arrest Record, and the cheap illegally made gin was the worst.  It was likely what brought him to Shine's attention.  There is one more crime on that record that they don't show.  

 

Yeah, Shine was reaching for his wire and only then did Flight pull the gun.  I think he bought it as self defense & he missed intentionally.  He did seem to know how to handle the gun.  Shine was his mentor for years, a substitute father, helped him along.  I think he just couldn't kill him.  That's why Shine looked pretty smug and said "I cannot be ended."  If Flight had meant to kill him he could have shot again.  

 



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So envious that BBC America viewers will get to see this amazing episode for the first time this weekend. I've seen it about 10 times now and it's still powerful and moving but I'll never get back that feeling the first time I watched it. I think I forgot to breathe through most of it!

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Yes, lucky US fans - the breathtaking final episode of Ripper Street 2 tomorrow.. superb on every level, writing performancec and production. Not to be missed! There is a lot of Damien in this episode... and finally some answers to his character.... it is hard to talk about without giving spoilers but.....every thread of character and storyline becomes richer and deeper in this finale.



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AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what did you think of the finale of Ripper Street 2? AND WHAT ABOUT FLIGHT?!?!

Vote in the poll above and comment below!!!

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Very excited about seeing this episode again even though I must have seen it at least 20 times! And just like episode 7 I wish I could watch this as if for the first time again ! It was such a powerful hour of television, I forgot to breathe through most of it.

And Flight's incredible speech about doing good work and outrunning his shame will always make me cry

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The climactic, shocking and tragic Ripper Street 2 finale airs 10pm tonight on Drama Channel!

I'm with you Rosie, breath suspension throughout. And tears. Plenty of tears.

It's all about revelations for Flight in this episode. And excellent acting from Damien, captured in heart breakingly brilliant close-ups.

 

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This look breaks my heart, when Flight realises that Shine has betrayed his secrets...download-10.jpeg



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