Rewatched again this morning. I'm confused on how Ziggy was injured- was it accidental because my initial impression was that she was hurt by someone after her brother was but apparently she hit her brother with the whiskey bottle and her injuries were caused because she was overdosing on the PMA? Is that right? I found the rest of the episode easy to follow apart from that part.
This episode was a definite improvemt on last week's and that we got more of an idea of each of the characters. I think because of that, everything just flowed much easier and we got a better sense of the mechanics of the team and everything is gelling nicely.
I have to admit that it took me 10 minutes to work out who was attacked and who wasn't...and which was the girl! But that was my only real criticism of last night's episode. The camera work was better, the lighting was better, the sound was crisper and it was a lot easier to understand what was going on.
I am LOVING the repartee between Jack and Charlie, but you still know which of them is in charge! It's becoming clear that the DI is quite hands-off (maybe that's why Fay's listed third in the credits - because she's actually not supposed to be on screen much?) and it's about the other two...
And that screencap of him looking over his shoulder - yummy! Needs a hair cut though, lol!
I didn't know that Damien (Jack) could do magic! Did you notice that when they were in the hospital he had a cup of coffee and then the next scene it had disappeared!
Ruby - I got a bit confused by that too....a brain hemorrhage wouldn't leave her with blood on her head, surely? Only answer I could come up with was that she passed out with the PMA and hit her head on the way down. I guess if it's not relevant to the case, we don't need to know!!
Carrie - I agree....they totally owned that ep...!
Nope - watched it twice and didn't notice the coffee. It always amazes me that people notice these things....it usually takes me about 5 veiwings!
It was one of those polythene cups. I saw he had it and thought to myself perhaps he would bin the empty cup but he didn't. Normally I don't notice these things! I too was watching Jack most of the time!
Ruby - I got a bit confused by that too....a brain hemorrhage wouldn't leave her with blood on her head, surely? Only answer I could come up with was that she passed out with the PMA and hit her head on the way down. I guess if it's not relevant to the case, we don't need to know!!
Carrie - I agree....they totally owned that ep...!
Nope - watched it twice and didn't notice the coffee. It always amazes me that people notice these things....it usually takes me about 5 veiwings!
That's how i interpreted it eventually because upon first watch when we found out Ziggy had hit her brother with the whisky bottle, i was at a loss to who had hit her because that cut we saw on her head made me think someone had hurt her too but it would seem it was an accident whilst under the influence of the PMA.
I hadn't noticed the disappearing coffee cup at the hospital, i can only assume he dumped it between telling Charlie to head back to base and seeing the brother.
Something similar happens later in the episode when he's on the phone (to Anneliese in forensics as it turns out). One shot he's on the phone, next he's not and the shot is as quick as a blink.
Oh and i have to say this BUT while i'm a fan of the shaggy hair, it drove me to distraction today, so untidy. He needs to get it cut i think. Super-mental hair.
Just finished watching this ep and it was fantastic! I really liked the first one, but this one seemed to blow it out of the water. I don't know if they filmed in order, but I feel like there was definitely a higher comfort level with each other and/or the format in this one. It seemed to flow a lot better.
And I like sassy Damien a lot. ;)
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I hadn't noticed the disappearing coffee cup at the hospital, i can only assume he dumped it between telling Charlie to head back to base and seeing the brother.
That's what I thought so I watched that bit again (along with the rest) and it goes too quickly for that! I think it might have been a scene which they had to edit a bit.
Did a successful re-watch. Very minimal streaming problems and Yes, yes there are!
I caught the disappearing cup scene the first time I saw it. Definitely an editing continuity boo boo, could be they used one take for part of it, then another take for the rest. (he did say they usually did about two takes)
I did not catch the disappearing phone until it was pointed out. But I feel they covered that one well, you hear a noise as if he'd slammed the phone off camera before they show him gesturing with his hand.
Did you all catch that he called Kirk Hawthorne "Mr. Ollerbury". He said, "calm down Mr. Ollerbury. Don't want you to do anything rash..." I'm paraphrasing, it was something like that.
And thanks to the wonders of subtitles I caught this little Jack nugget:
papillon... pamplemousse... bibliothèque... un baiser A lilt in his voice. Every sentence like music... #kisskisskiss A terrible beauty is born. Love me some #Jacksass
I got the 'I tell my sister everything' line too BUT i just assumed that it was something that he made up, to make his point about a brother maybe being close enough to his sister to tell her his sexual orientation, i doubt we'll find out whether it's actually true about Jack, given that we'll know next to nothing about the characters apart from their names and ranks.
I just finished watching this episode and I really enjoyed it. Damien was much funnier in this one. My boyfriend even commented on it. The only thing I still don't like is the camera peeking around corners and through walls when it isn't necessary. I find it very irritating and distracting. Overall I really enjoyed the episode though.
I didn't quite catch all of the dialogue on the first viewing. I'll have to watch it again. I'm going to try to make some gifs tomorrow if I have the time.
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Agree Jane, there was far more humour in this one. I said it earlier the level of humour will probably reflect the level of tragedy in the storyline, the next episode is a serial rapist, that is not a subject they will be able to interject much humour into without it causing offense, I would imagine... so I am glad we had that in this episode... it has given Suspects a richer tone.
The camera style isn't necessary, but it is a conscious choice and the whole point of Suspects, as a realism mockumentary. I like it, it involves us in the process more intimately and it also highlights the nature of 'looking' and our relationship to 'drama' as an audience. As Elvis Costello would say, we're watching the detectives, and I like the camera playing with that.
Agree Lisa, we are not going to go home with the detectives so little snippets like the sister mention become valuable morsels for analysis! we become detectives too.
there were lots of clues in this episode to who they are though, in terms of their character, in moment to moment interaction, anyone else finding that kind of way more engaging than any possible subplot or knowing where they come from? found myself noticing (looking for?) more little things too. like Charlie having red flowers on her desk.
I just watched the episode again (had to try my new beamer and its really cool to watch it on a big screen) and it took me some time to get this thing with the coffee cup (which was surprising, because I usually see these things immediatedly, but maybe I was distracted by something(one) else, haha).
I also think it was a bit funnier, and I could follow the plot a bit easier, but I think this could also be because now I got a bit used to this camera/documentary style. I'm really looking forward to the next episode - and hope I won't be looking out for any editing/continuity mistakes, haha.
Oh yes, so much better. Everyone's clearly more relaxed. One gripe, the director needs to leave the camera alone and not just swing it to and throw just because someone spoke. A little bit dizzying. But I enjoyed it so much I wanted to watch the next one immediately - only to find my sky box had dropped the show! So off to C5 iplayer to find it right now.
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(please note, this is not an official document, just an attempt at a scene breakdown purely for the purposes of information. All scenes in brackets are scenes where Damien does not appear).
Scene 1: 0.00-01.18
Newsreader voiceover:
"Police have tonight been called to the trouble Greenpit nightclub. First reports suggest club owner Kirk Hawthorn has been the victim of a brutal assault"
Jack and Charlie are on the scene at the nightclub where Kirk has been hit over the back of the head. While there, another attack victim is discovered, the club owner tells them it is Kirk's sister, Ziggy Hawthorne.
Charlie suggests it must be a targeted attack, Jack replies
"potentially, we don't want to jump to conclusions straight away"
Scene 2: 01.19-02.09
Still at the club, Jack and forensics are in the area of the cctv camera, which is missing. Jack asks for the cables to be dusted for fingerprints.
"Charlie"
"yeah?"
"Is your radio broken?"
"Er, no it's not, and I don't know why you're screaming"
"Ok how can I get in touch with you"
Jack asks Charlie to talk to bar manager Guy
"He found her, go and chat to him butter him up use your wit, charm and.."
"is he hot?"
"Charlie.."
"is he?"
"Charlie.."
" I'm only going if he is."
"Charlie it's 3 in the morning, go and talk to him"
"This job
is fucking killing me, I swear."
Scene 3: 02.10-02.51
Charlie talks to bar manager Guy Ollerbury, who found Kirk and dialled 999
Scene 4: 02.52 - 03.26
Jack asks head of security about security detail for the night and if any threats had been made to Kirk in the past couple of weeks
Scene 5: 03.27-03.45
Charlie tells Jack she spoke to the hospital. Ziggy has suffered a brain haemorrhage and also a drugs overdose, Kirk's head injury is not as bad as it looked, he is groggy but ok for interview
Scene 6: 03.46-06.02
Jack and Charlie are at the hospital. Charlie finds out Kirk's nightclub was closed last year due to drug related violence.
Jack interviews Kirk, who has no memory of the attack, just walking into his office.
Scene 7: 06.03-06.23
Back at HQ Charlie informs Jack the toxicology report shows Ziggy took PMA an ecstasy substitute. She asks Jack if they should wake up "the boss" but he tells her it is not necessary.
(Scene 8: 06.24-06.42 Charlie interviews Wakim, who was seen with Ziggy that night. He tells Charlie he is her personal trainer but hangs out with her sometimes and left the club early, and that Ziggy was also with her friend Hannah Stevenson)
(Scene 9: 06.43-07.54 Charlie interviews Hannah, who says she also took PMA but Ziggy took much more. She felt weird, so left to go back to her uni halls. She doesn't know where the drug came from)
Scene 10: 07.55- 08.51
Back at the hospital with Jack interviewing Kirk, who says his sister isn't a regular drug user, doesn't know who gave her the PMA and is angry about someone bringing drugs into his club
Scene 11: 08.52-09.27
At HQ Charlie tells Jack 19 year old Tom Yeoman has been found dead in an alleyway, with a flyer for the nightclub and a wrap of PMA in his pocket. Jack decides DI Martha needs to be informed, "I gotta ring the boss".
(Scene 12: 09-28-10.14 Martha holds a police press conference appealing for witnesses and urging anyone who has taken PMA to seek medical attention)
Scene 13: 10.15-10.45
Martha, Charlie and Jack are in the main office. Martha informs them that Ziggy Hawthorne and Tom Yeoman's toxicology reports are identical. Jack says the fingerprints on the cctv cables belong to Dave Mastings head of security at the club. Martha tells him to arrest him for theft and they will search his premises.
Scene 14: 10.46-11.00
Jack brings Dave in, getting him to empty his pockets at the desk. "How many keys do you have?"
Scene 15: 11.01-12.52
Jack and Martha interview Dave, who claims he knows nothing about the drugs in the club or the missing cctv camera. He points the finger at Wakim, who is allowed into the club without getting patted down and has lots of nice stuff for a boxer with no money.
"You're a clever nman aren't you? Always an answer for everything"
(Scene 16: 12.53-14.01 Charlie interviews Wakim in his boxing club, who has Ziggy's car parked outside with no insurance.)
Scene 17: 14.02-14.59
Jack, Charlie and Martha in Martha's office. Charlie has spoken to victim Tom Yeoman's friends who were in the club last night, they say they are occasional drug users but didn't know Tom had any substances on him, and he disappeared at 11.30pm but they thought he was just 'sharking'.
Jack: "Really?"
Charlie: "Ah, J-Bomb knows what that is."
Jack: "I haven't sharked in a long time."
Martha: "Tell the old lady what sharking is."
Jack: "Have you never been sharked? Guys
cruising clubs looking for chicks."
Martha: "Yes, I have. Right. Yes. And?"
Jack mentions the cctv footage shows Tom did not leave via the nightclub front door, and as the time of death was between 11.30-2am, he suggests perhaps Tom was found by nightclub staff and taken out, to avoid trouble for the club, and later found in the alleyway.
(Scene 18: 15.00-15.55 Charlie interviews Hannah again, she doesn't recognise Tom from his photo. She claims there was definitely something between Wakim and Ziggy)
Scene 19: 15.56-16.54
Martha, Jack and Charlie watch cctv of the alleyway which shows Tom Yeoman being dumped out of a car.
Jack: "10 points detective Sergeant Jack Weston"
The picture is not clear enough to see the number plate or car model but Jack notices only one break light is working.
Scene 20: 16.55-17.12
Jack has had a eureka moment about the number of keys Dave Mastings had on him when he arrested him, and goes to get his property from the desk. When asked to sign for it, he signs the form "kiss kiss kiss"
Scene 21: 17.13-17.54
Jack brings Dave's property back into the room where Martha and Charlie are talking by the crime board, empties it on the table and points out one key unaccounted for, and Dave's gym membership card. Jack suggests the key is for his gym locker. Meanwhile, Charlie has found out Kirk Hawthorne was caught with a defective brake light a few days ago.
Martha: "Bish-bash-bosh! Well done, Jack. You should be a detective.
Jack: "Thank you. Did you hear that?" (to Charlie)
Charlie: "Just you wait.
I've just been through all our key players in traffic. Hawthorne was issued with
a vehicle-defection notice ten days ago, for a defective brake light. Boom!
Martha: "My top team"
Scene 22: 17.55-18.12
Jack examines Kirk Hawthorne's car, confirms broken brake light to Martha and points out vomit on the back seat
Scene 23: 18.13-19.10
Jack arrests Kirk Hawthorne at the hospital on suspicion of conspiracy to commit manslaughter and perverting the course of justice
Scene 24: 19.11-20.11
Martha and Jack interview Kirk Hawthorne, who tells them he leaves his car keys in his office so any member of staff could have used them to move Tom from the club
(Scene 25: 20.12-21.18 Charlie interviews bar manager Guy Ollerbury, who tells her he has been on holiday snowboarding)
Scene 26: 21.19-21.58
Jack and Charlie are on the roof talking about the case, when Martha calls Jack with news that security Manager Dave Masting's fingerprints were on the steering wheel of Kirk's car.
(Scene 27: 21.59-23.12 Martha interviews Dave, who says he moved the car to make room for a big delivery and denies any knowledge of the whereabouts of the cctv camera. Martha tells him they have a warrant to search his gym locker. "Don't tell me, no comment")
Scene 28: 23.13-23.54
Jack goes to Dave's gym, searches his locker and finds the cctv camera,
"Bingo"
Scene 29: 23.55-24.49
Jack and Martha interview Dave, showing him cctv footage from the camera they recovered, of him carrying Tom down the stairs at the club
Martha "Oh look, who's that Dave, have you got a twin brother?"
Jack: " No comment? No comment? NO COMMENT?"
Scene 30: 24.50-25.53
Jack and Martha interview Dave Mastings with his solicitor present, Dave reads a statement saying Kirk had panicked about his license when Tom was found so Dave took him out via the fire exit, but he was still alive. When he returned the bar manager informed him Kirk has been assaulted, Dave told him to phone an ambulance while he removed the cctv, he hoped to identify the person himself
Scene 31: 25.54-27.35
Martha and Jack interview Kirk. He won't speak until Jack shows him the photo of Tom dead. He eventually admits he knew Dave moved Tom.
Scene 32: 27.36-28.19
The team talk in the main office, Charlie and Jack are at their desks. Jack reports 2 wraps of white substance have been found in a nightclub that morning and they've been sent to forensics. Charlie reports on Ziggy's bank statement showing lots of expensive items and interesting phone text records between Kirk and Wakim.
Scene 33: 28.20-30.59
Jack interviews Kirk (solicitor present) about his relationship with Wakim and explores the possibility that Ziggy might have known.
Are you fuck-buddies? What is it? What's the story?
"I tell my sister everything"
(Scene 34: 31.00-31.42 Charlie interviews Wakim and asks him about his relationship with Kirk and if Ziggy knows)
Scene 35: 31.43-32,09
Jack tells Martha none of the fingerprints on the drug wraps belong to Wakim, so he is not the dealer. Martha asks Charlie to go through all the cctv footage of the club and track both Tom and Ziggy through the whole evening.
(Scene 36: 32.10-33.03 Charlie shows Martha cctv footage from the club of Ziggy and Hannah having a massive argument that night)
(Scene 37: 33.04-34.51 Charlie interviews Hannah about the row with Ziggy. She said she had told Hannah about Kirk and Wakim, she'd seen them kissing, and had sent her the photo she'd taken of it)
Scene 38: 34.52-36.18
Charlie has found out that Hannah actually sent Ziggy the photo 2 minutes after the row, so they were arguing about something else. Meanwhile, Jack reports the prints on the drug wraps belong to Hannah Stevenson. He wants to interview her straight away but Charlie has let her go.
Scene 39: 36.19-36.26
Jack and Charlie jump in a car to go and pick up Hannah, her mobile signal is tracked and they know her location. Hannah tries to run but Jack and Charlie chase her down the street and restrain her while Charlie arrests her.
Scene 40: 36.27-37.23
Jack interviews Hannah (with solicitor present) who denies she is a drug dealer
Scene 41: 37.24-37.45
In the office Jack brings in the drug wraps from forensics, which when pieced together look like a skiing / snowboarding trip. Charlie mentions the bar manager Guy said he had just returned from a snowboarding holiday.
Scene 42: 37.46-38.36
Later that evening, Martha Jack and Charlie still in the office, Charlie has Guy Ollerbury's financial report which shows a bulk buy of aniseed all which is used in the manufacture of PMA and Jack has contacted Guy's university and discovered he was kicked off his course last year for stealing lab equipment.
Jack: Boom-boom.
Charlie: Mm!
Jack: I decided to ring Guy's university. Snowboarder Guy Ollerbury was "a prodigious but lazy
chemistry student".
Charlie: Was that a direct quote?
Jack: Direct quote, quotations and everything.
Scene 43: 38.37-40.00
Jack interviews bar manager Guy (with solicitor present) who says he never intended to sell the drug, he made it for his own personal use, it was Hannah's idea to sell it because she wanted the money.
"How long have you been manufacturing controlled drugs? Guy?"
Scene 44: 40.01-42.03
Jack and Charlie interview Hannah (solicitor present), they show her cctv footage of her passing something to Tom in the club. Hannah repeats she has nothing more to say and will not admit to dealing the drugs in the club, even after Charlie suggests what really happened is Ziggy and her argued about her selling drugs in her brothers club and she sent the photo of Kirk and Wakim to Ziggy to distract her and Jack demonstrates how her fingerprints would be all over the wraps.
Scene 45: 42.04-42.22
Jack and Charlie return to the office discussing Hannah and her motive. Martha informs them blood has been found on the whisky bottle, found by Ziggy.
(Scene 46: 42.23-43.00 Martha goes to Kirk's cell and tells him it was his sister Ziggy who assaulted him)
Scene 47: 43.01-43.40
Jack and Charlie are in the main office, Martha is on the phone in her office. She tells them Ziggy has regained consciousness but has suffered brain damage and the prognosis isn't good.
This was the episode where a whole new dimension opened up for the show, starting with the Jack and Charlie banter, which continued throughout with all three detectives, and adding humour, a hard balance to strike when dealing with sensitive subject matter which they totally pulled it off in this ep!